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skyhawk223
July 29th, 2002, 06:12 AM
Well, I got the latest version of trueSpace over the weekend and as promised, my first project is the Swordfish. Here's what I have so far...
http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword7_29.jpg

Thomas P
July 29th, 2002, 11:49 AM
Congrads on the new tS software! I eagerly await your maiden model :D

skyhawk223
July 29th, 2002, 01:13 PM
You're looking at the maiden model :)
It supposedly has some neat features (or at least features that 3DS and Lightwave already have). I will probably learn how to use them just as the next version comes out...

Thomas P
July 29th, 2002, 03:23 PM
I know this is the maiden model :) I mean, when it's done and in a scene :D

I know you'll figure out the new cool things.

Masao
July 30th, 2002, 03:55 AM
Congrats on the new program. Does it still have the "new program smell"?

The ship looks good so far. The only suggestion I have is to flatten the half spheres a bit.

skyhawk223
July 30th, 2002, 05:11 AM
Roger on the spheres. They are mainly placeholders for now. They will get squished in due time.

It does have that new app smell, but I'm not so certain about the 1,000 LY warranty.

skyhawk223
July 30th, 2002, 10:46 AM
Now guys, I want you to look at the below image carefully. Is this ship some kind of joke(I'm not talking about the wood finish)?

http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword7_30.jpg

Thomas P
July 30th, 2002, 04:07 PM
I'm tired so I don't get it ;)

Masao
July 31st, 2002, 04:56 AM
Are you talking about the smiley face? Completely unintentional, I assure you. I didn't notice it until now.

The wood texture looks neat!

skyhawk223
July 31st, 2002, 05:30 AM
It just makes me feel all happy inside when I look at that image.

Now to the shuttlebay doors. Are they segmented panels that retract to the sides a la the 1701? There is little room on either side of the door for storage. Perhaps they rotate up sort of like a garage door?

Thomas P
July 31st, 2002, 05:32 AM
Forgot to ask, you gonna use a sealer coat on that first? :p

Masao
July 31st, 2002, 05:06 PM
Good question, Skyhawk. I'm just doing the final schematics now and have to address that issue myself. Let's slice the doors into horizontal slats, which then roll up and down. The similar doors on Reliant http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/other/reliant.jpg retract upwards and downwards too, I think. Doors on my other ships, like Belleau Wood, are also like this.

BTW: Registry of USS Swordfish will be NCC-1259.

skyhawk223
August 1st, 2002, 04:52 AM
That's pretty funny. I just made them vertical slats that retract into the sides. No matter. I can easily switch the texture to a horiz. slat texture. Later I will actually model the doors.

Thanks for the reg number. I was going to ask that later.

skyhawk223
August 1st, 2002, 04:55 AM
Oh, and I put a nice coat of Thomspson Water and Micro-Meteorite Seal on her just last night. Should be dry about now...

Thomas P
August 1st, 2002, 05:18 AM
I was worried.

skyhawk223
August 1st, 2002, 01:46 PM
Well worry no more. Here's an update...
http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword8_1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword8_1a.jpg

Masao
August 1st, 2002, 04:47 PM
Make sure that the impulse thrust ports (orange thingies) don't vent into the front surface of the nacelle. The thrust ports should be only in the outer half of the impulse block.

I think the smiley mouth looks a bit yellowish. I was aiming for more of a light tan.
Those torpedo-looking things at the outer edge of the primary hull are supposed to be homing beacons. They should be ivory and lit up.

I just finished the schematics. I send them in a little while.

The ship is turning out very nice!

skyhawk223
August 2nd, 2002, 05:32 AM
I got the latest schematics. Thank you kind sir.
I do need to move out the impule ducts a bit.
Explain to me the thinking on the homing beacons. Why would they:
A) Need to be so big?
B) Need to be on the outside?
C) Need to be lit up?

What do you think about the blue coloring I put on the hull? Keep it? Remove it? Change the color?

Masao
August 2nd, 2002, 05:35 PM
The Constitution has a similar lighted dome above its shuttle bay doors, so I figured I would put larger, more primitive-looking ones near the shuttlebays of Swordfish. They should have the same lighting and color as that dome. Of course, maybe they're not homing beacons but some sort of tractor beam emitter or other system for guiding fighters in. I was also going for a 1950s style tail light look.

How about making the coloring on the top more greenish, sort of like the true color of the 11-foot Enterprise model? It would make a slight contrast with the untinted grey and serve as a nice transition. We had a thread about it last November http://www.3dgladiators.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10090

scaramanga
August 4th, 2002, 06:54 AM
I can't help it, but it seems a bit too shiny in that last pic :/

skyhawk223
August 5th, 2002, 05:31 AM
Oh, I see. That sort of homing beacon. I thought you meant an emergency beacon in case of some sort of disaster.
I will turn down the shine and change the blue to what we discussed last year.

skyhawk223
August 5th, 2002, 01:55 PM
Ok guys, nearing completion here.
http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword8_4.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword8_5.jpg

Masao
August 5th, 2002, 05:01 PM
I'd probably go a little less yellow on the homing beacons. They should be more of an ivory/white. Also, feel free to make the paneling more pronounced, even though I didn't have it on the schematics. They add a nice sense of scale. Also, put a single laser turret at the front of the hull for shooting asteroids (same location as on Lancaster).

I was wondering if that's the best place for the emblem. Do you think putting on the centerline, just in from on the neck, would be better? Having it on one side makes the ship look lopsided.

Now, all we need are some of those Puffin fighters coming and going.

Anyways, the articles all finished and has been sent to Bernd. With luck, it should be up by next weekend.

skyhawk223
August 6th, 2002, 05:18 AM
I actually like the emblem there. Perhaps if it were lighter it wouldn't add so much "weight" to the port side.

I forgot to fix the shuttlebay doors. One laser turret, coming right up.

Thomas P
August 6th, 2002, 05:43 AM
Very nice. You gonna turn on the lights or are you saving money? :D

skyhawk223
August 6th, 2002, 10:56 AM
No. And as further proof, here is another image with the lights STILL off. :)
Added some nice accent lighting, though.
Not much more left to do. I might add some detail to the bottom of the nacelle.
Still have to add the laser cannons to the front underside of the saucer.
http://hometown.aol.com/~skyhawk223/sword8_6.jpg

Thomas P
August 6th, 2002, 03:29 PM
Look - I'll pay your electric bill, geez. ;)

Nice little ship, add some fighters like Masao had suggested - if you have a converter I'll fire the Puffin WIP I have to you.

You just got tS 6.0 right or was it 5? Do you have the basic package or any plug-ins?

Masao
August 6th, 2002, 04:31 PM
Another way to go on the emblem is to leave it where it is but just to have the central swordfish image rather than the blue circle and name.

skyhawk223
August 7th, 2002, 08:54 AM
I fixed the windows. Added to room scenes from various sources.
Send me the Puffin. I might be able to import it.
Just got tS6.

Masao, Can you send me the emblem without the letters? I have no 2d software with which to strip that stuff out.

Masao
August 7th, 2002, 04:46 PM
I'll send the swordfish right away.

The laser cannons shouldn't be those long things like on Lancaster. There should just be a single little nipple on the top of the hull, near the hyphen in the registry.

I like that new pic a lot!

skyhawk223
August 8th, 2002, 05:32 AM
What did you have in mind for the laser turret? Something similar to the movie era blisters?

Masao
August 8th, 2002, 04:45 PM
Yeah, something like that. This is ThomasP's render of Lancaster, which uses the same hull. It has a single brick red laser turret on the center line. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sfmuseum/lancaster-orbit.jpg This laser isn't for shooting enemy ships; it's mostly for shooting asteroids and missiles.

skyhawk223
August 9th, 2002, 05:38 AM
Ok, I see. I will put one right where you specified, although it looks like the Lancaster has 3.

Masao
August 9th, 2002, 05:25 PM
Thanks, Skyhawk.

Lancaster is a cruiser, so all her weaponry is made of her guns (phasers, lasers, and torpedoes). I'm thinking that phasers are actually pretty large, heavy pieces of machinery, at least much larger than those little turrets we see on the surface of a ship. I figure they are relatively as big as a gun turret on a navy dreadnought or battleship, except most of it is buried beneath the hull plating rather than above the deck, as on a surface ship. So, each phaser takes up a lot of hull space and is heavy.

skyhawk223
August 12th, 2002, 05:43 AM
I can agree with that assesment. There must be a lot of conduit, transformers, power regulators, etc...I almost think it could look a bit like a substation for the electrical grid seen today, although to a smaller scale. Plus all the room needed for the hamsters and their wheels...