Blueprints of the *Original* Valiant?

[John P. Raynor]

Does anyone have good reference material
re. the original starship Valiant (the one
which had a nasty encounter with the energy
barrier at the edge of the galaxy in the
mid-21st century) ? I've seen one lateral
view, and a couple of *extremely* murky, and
almost useless, scanned photographs of the
ship's aft end (I think the original
photographs were pretty small), but I'd like
to try to model this ship, and would like to
use as little guesswork as possible, since I
don't have very much modelling experience.
Thanks in advance.

[Kenny_Z]

Steven Davis just finished his model of her. He modified it just a little bit.
http://stes3dreload.tripod.com/october_07.jpg http://stes3dreload.tripod.com/october_08.jpg http://stes3dreload.tripod.com/october_09.jpg

His site is http://stes3dreload.tripod.com/

I'm sure his email's on there somewhere. You could ask him where he got the specs.

*note to self* Get Steve to post at 3DGlads...

[John P. Raynor]

Although I like that ship (the recognizable,
chunky-looking "turret" on the dorsal aft
surface was a particularly nice "archaic"
touch), it differed substantially from the
murky picture of the "Valiant" in my copy of
the "Chronology", and the lateral view that's
floating around the web. The cross-section
of that ship's hull is more or less
diamond-shaped, it has *four* rocket-ish
engines, wedge-shaped bridge mounted at the end of a stubby cylindrical "neck," and no
dorsal turret...

[Godfrey]

Where's that picture in the Chronology from, anyway? I don't recall ever seeing anything like it in an episode.

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[John P. Raynor]

The picture in the Chronology is,
to the best of my knowledge, speculative,
but since it's speculation by an "insider,"
I'm inclined to take it modestly seriously.

I wish there was more information about, and
picture of, very early starships. Right now, I'm working on a "DY-series refit," dating back to the decade following the flight of the Phoenix. As I see it, the Earthlings of the post-war, late 21st century period would have been venturing into interstellar space aboard just about anything remotely spaceworthy. If the DY-series was the "workhorse" of its era (like the Mirandas and Excelsiors of the ST:TNG era), Earthlings would be retrofitting them with chunky fusion reactors and primitive warp nacelles (even ships dating back to the pre-war period, kept in mothballs until spaceflight became politically/economically practical again).

[Warrior]

Time line goes-

DY series
Phoenix (first warp)
Rom War era
Valiant/Daedalus era
TOS era

DY's never had warp.

Now, to the Valiant- Lemme dig up some old pics I have laying around here somewhere of that conjecteral design http://www.3dgladiators.com/forums/ubb/ubbhtml/smile.gif

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[John P. Raynor]

I agree that none of the ships in the
DY-series were warp-capable when they
were originally built, but I'm talking
about an old ship that was upgraded
with new warp technology. A lot of the
DY-series ships probably left Earth's
solar system before the atomic war (as
sleeper ships, or just under the speed
of light)...but one gets the sense that
there were plenty of DY-series ships, and
that some of them must have stayed within
the solar system, making interplanetary
voyages. They were robust (the survival
of Khan's ship suggests that), time-tested,
and reliable, like all those Mirandas and
Excelsiors in the ST:TNG era. Warp
technology can't be that tough, once you
know the trick (if a mad scientist, working
out in the woods in post-apocalyptic America
can do it, anyone should be able to do it),
so I'm envisioning somebody taking one of
these old ships, and cramming in a fusion
reactor, and slapping on warp nacelles...
Such ships wouldn't be in service for very
long (within a couple of years, "real"
starships like the Valiant would be launched)
but they would be charming, in a creaky,
rusty, chicken-wire, duct-tape, used chewing gum kind of way...

[Russell Christiansen]

I have the Chronology (albeit an earlier version of it) and it showed a picture of the Valiant.

Not bad for one of the first warp ships for Earth.

[Warrior]

#*%^#*$^*#!!!!

All I can find is the USS Valiant (TOS) conjectural pic. Totally different ship than the SS Valiant (or the DS9 USS Valiant, for that matter).

I know I had the friggin thing though. I'll keep looking for it.

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"All I ask is that you read and understand before jumping to conclusions."

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[Warrior]

Ok.. I still can't find MY copy, but *this* pic is the same one:
http://employees.csbsju.edu/rsorensen/modelcitizen/trekships/misc/valiant.jpg

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